Comments on: Charlie Williams

By: blankemon

blankemon — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:36:37 +0000

Also, I should add that I brought up the book because my thought grew from what Josh had just written here. I wasn’t trying to be some sort of “oooh, I’m a cool kid, I have seen the book already and ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET!”

I realize it could come off that way. Sorry.

By: blankemon

blankemon — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:25:20 +0000

Which means now I need to purchase a “real” copy so as to help further the cause. Also, I want to see the color pictures, ya know?

By: Josh Wilker

Josh Wilker — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:46:15 +0000

Thanks a lot for the kind words about the book, blankemon. (Note: blankemon got an advance copy–he’s “in” with the editor; the book isn’t out quite yet.)

By: blankemon

blankemon — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:49:50 +0000

Josh, I was impressed by how well the book flows. You can pull out a section and read it separately, like these blog posts, but it really has a narrative flow as a whole. I’m really excited to see how the book fares – I really think it has great crossover potential.
Also, I’m curious to hear comments from the other regulars around these parts.

Here’s to hoping the next book isn’t too far off. I know I’ll be reading it, regardless of subject matter.

By: Josh Wilker

Josh Wilker — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:34:21 +0000

Thanks very much, psychsound. I appreciate that. But no, the book is pretty much the book I wanted to write (and I’m hoping I’ve got more than one book in me anyway).

By: psychsound

psychsound — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:21:00 +0000

This was a great blog post, Josh. Are you wishing that you had written this for the book?

By: johnq11

johnq11 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:20:11 +0000

Kelly Leak is essentially “Moody” at the beginning of “The Bad News Bears” and becomes “Ricky Linderman” by the end.

Tanner Boyle does the most heroic action in the film when he defends Timmy Lupus at the Taco Stand.

There’s essentially 5 evil characters in “Bears”
Roy Turner, Joey Turner, Cleveland, The Yankee Team, and Kelly Leak. 1 (Tanner) turns into good characters by the end of the film. Tanner’s an interesting character to think about on a philosophical level if he’s really evil or not.

Here’s how I see the character development in “Bears”.

Buttermaker: Chaotic/Neutral–Neutral/Neutral–Lawful/Evil–Neutral/Good
Amanda: Neutral/Neutral–Neutral/Good
Tanner: Chaotic/Neutral–Chaotic/Good
Kelly Leak: Chaotic/Evil–Chaotic/Good
Roy Turner: Lawful/Evil–Lawful/Evil
Whitewood: Lawful/Good–Lawful/Neutral
Cleveland: Lawful/Evil–Lawful/Evil
Ahmad: Neutral/Neutral–Neutral/Good
Ogilvie: Lawful/Good–Lawful/Good
Engelberg: Chaotic/Neutral–Neutral/Neutral
Joey Turner: Lawful/Evil–Neutral/Neutral
Bears Team: Lawful/Good–Lawful/Good
Yankee Team: Lawful/Evil–Lawful/Evil

By: blankemon

blankemon — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:01:54 +0000

Doberman was played by Harry Northup, who also was seen as Doughboy in Taxi Driver. A truly weird screen presence, he’s also a poet.

By: johnq11

johnq11 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:22:50 +0000

I was thinking about the Sgt. Doberman character’s in “over-the-Edge” and his character alignment and I think he would have to characterized as a Lawful-Evil character not a Lawful-Neutral character. The character antagonizes Richie & Carl and seems to enjoy it, he harasses the Lady at the rec center, and has a personal vendetta at the end of the film. So there’s basically 4 evil characters in “Over-the-Edge”.

Sgt. Doberman: Lawful-Evil
Jerry Cole: Neutral-Evil
Vincent Spano & tall blond kid: Chaotic Evil

Richie in over the edge is basically Chaotic Neutral for the entire film, there’s little character change. If anything he becomes a little more “chaotic” as the film progresses. Carl goes from being Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral by the end of the film.

Moody in “My Bodyguard” is essentially Chaotic Evil throughout the entire film. Chris Makepeace’s character goes from Lawful Good to Neutral Good throughout the film. Ricky Linderman goes from being Chaotic Neutral to Chaotic Good by the end of the film. Examples of Chaotic Good characters are: Robin Hood, The Lone Ranger and Batman.

By: Josh Wilker

Josh Wilker — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:51:07 +0000

Thanks to everyone for the excellent thoughts about Over the Edge, etc. Love the Carter speech. I hadn’t looked at that Vice oral history of the movie before (if it showed up before in a previous conversation here I probably passed over it because I hadn’t seen the movie yet). The commentary track of the DVD also has some good stuff about the movie. In both places Matt Dillon comes off as an entertaining character as he barges into his film career.

Before seeing Over the Edge, I’d always placed his starting point, at least in my consciousness, in the great flick My Bodyguard, where he does a fantastic job playing a scary bully named Moody.