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		<title>By: hen43</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-12333</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a life-long Indians fan, I remember Jim Bibby.  I never met him, but my brother Chris did at Cleveland Indians Fantasy Camp in Winter Haven, Florida.  The year would have been somewhere around 2002-2005.  He tells the story of being in the hotel bar where players like Bibby, Rick Manning, Joe Charboneau (ROY 80), Max Alvis and Gary Bell would mingle with &quot;campers&quot;  late into the night over beers and cocktails.  Chris is swapping stories with a group that included Jim Bibby when a small, plastered shriner (complete with the Fred Flinstone shriner&#039;s hat) weaves up to them.  The guy points his finger in the much taller former big league pitcher&#039;s face and slurs, &quot;hey, I know you.&quot;  He&#039;s standing way to close.  Looking down on the top of the little mans goofy hat, Jim replies, &quot;I don&#039;t think so.&quot;  &quot;Yes.  Yes. I know you.  You&#039;re Roberto Clemente.&quot;  Annoyed, but calm, Jim says, &quot;Sorry.  You&#039;re mistaken.&quot;  &quot;No I&#039;m not. You&#039;re Roberto Clemente.&quot;  The guy won&#039;t give it up, and Bibby, well lubricated and  not amused finally loses all patience.  He shoots out his huge right hand and grabs the little guy by the throat like a cobra striking a baby rabbit.  With his hand wrapped completely around the shriner&#039;s neck and Chris trapped in between Jim&#039;s substantial mass and the little weasel, Bibby marches the two smaller men across the crowded room until he has the shriner pinned against the wall.  The whole way Chris is back-peddling and screaming, &quot;Jim let go!  Let go!  You&#039;ll kill him!&quot;  As I recall, the story ends with the cops showing up.  Could have been worse.... might have been the coroner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a life-long Indians fan, I remember Jim Bibby.  I never met him, but my brother Chris did at Cleveland Indians Fantasy Camp in Winter Haven, Florida.  The year would have been somewhere around 2002-2005.  He tells the story of being in the hotel bar where players like Bibby, Rick Manning, Joe Charboneau (ROY 80), Max Alvis and Gary Bell would mingle with &#8220;campers&#8221;  late into the night over beers and cocktails.  Chris is swapping stories with a group that included Jim Bibby when a small, plastered shriner (complete with the Fred Flinstone shriner&#8217;s hat) weaves up to them.  The guy points his finger in the much taller former big league pitcher&#8217;s face and slurs, &#8220;hey, I know you.&#8221;  He&#8217;s standing way to close.  Looking down on the top of the little mans goofy hat, Jim replies, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think so.&#8221;  &#8220;Yes.  Yes. I know you.  You&#8217;re Roberto Clemente.&#8221;  Annoyed, but calm, Jim says, &#8220;Sorry.  You&#8217;re mistaken.&#8221;  &#8220;No I&#8217;m not. You&#8217;re Roberto Clemente.&#8221;  The guy won&#8217;t give it up, and Bibby, well lubricated and  not amused finally loses all patience.  He shoots out his huge right hand and grabs the little guy by the throat like a cobra striking a baby rabbit.  With his hand wrapped completely around the shriner&#8217;s neck and Chris trapped in between Jim&#8217;s substantial mass and the little weasel, Bibby marches the two smaller men across the crowded room until he has the shriner pinned against the wall.  The whole way Chris is back-peddling and screaming, &#8220;Jim let go!  Let go!  You&#8217;ll kill him!&#8221;  As I recall, the story ends with the cops showing up.  Could have been worse&#8230;. might have been the coroner.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin&#039; pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-12100</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 15:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I can sort of hazily recall a late night at the old Cedar Tavern (though maybe it was the International), where we all decided that if we were going to form a psychedelic-funk band, them our first album was going to be called &quot;Bigger Than Bibby!&quot;

It just resonated on so many levels....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I can sort of hazily recall a late night at the old Cedar Tavern (though maybe it was the International), where we all decided that if we were going to form a psychedelic-funk band, them our first album was going to be called &#8220;Bigger Than Bibby!&#8221;</p>
<p>It just resonated on so many levels&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mbtn01</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heaven Must Be Missing an Afro]]></description>
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		<title>By: shealives</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Bibby of course was the brother of Henry Bibby and the uncle of Mike Bibby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Bibby of course was the brother of Henry Bibby and the uncle of Mike Bibby.</p>
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		<title>By: johnq11</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-10492</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ramblin Pete, 

I was just going by the 73-76 Met Teams as far as the biggest MetFro. 

I was just looking at some of my old Met cards and it does look look like Nino 1979 Topps was the biggest Fro. Nino &#039;78 was pretty big as well. 

Here are some other players that had pretty big Fro&#039;s during the 1977-1981 time period:

1978 Topps Leo Foster
1978 &amp; 1979 Topps Elliott Maddox
1980 Jose Cardenal

1979/1980/1981-Topps Pat Zachery has a pretty crazy White man Fro. Zachery looks all together kind of crazy and out of sorts with beard and basic disheveled look.

Bob Apodaca had some really long hair 1977-1981.

Jeff Reardon had some long hair on the 1981 Topps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramblin Pete, </p>
<p>I was just going by the 73-76 Met Teams as far as the biggest MetFro. </p>
<p>I was just looking at some of my old Met cards and it does look look like Nino 1979 Topps was the biggest Fro. Nino &#8217;78 was pretty big as well. </p>
<p>Here are some other players that had pretty big Fro&#8217;s during the 1977-1981 time period:</p>
<p>1978 Topps Leo Foster<br />
1978 &amp; 1979 Topps Elliott Maddox<br />
1980 Jose Cardenal</p>
<p>1979/1980/1981-Topps Pat Zachery has a pretty crazy White man Fro. Zachery looks all together kind of crazy and out of sorts with beard and basic disheveled look.</p>
<p>Bob Apodaca had some really long hair 1977-1981.</p>
<p>Jeff Reardon had some long hair on the 1981 Topps.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin&#39; pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-10491</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[johnq11 - True &#039;nuf. I was thinking in terms of Bibby&#039;s ascent to the bigs in the wake of the Ryan trade... they certainly were stocked in those years. Bibby&#039;s minor-league rotation-mates also included Gary Gentry, Buzz Capra, Steve Renko, and Danny Frisella (before he became a reliever). 

A quick (and NOT thorough, nor definitive by any means) perusal of some old programs from the late &#039;70&#039;s vouches favorably for the superiority of Sr. Espinosa&#039;s afr-etic gifts. After his departure, the torch at Shea seemed to have be carried most admirably by Cardenal&#039;s world-class &#039;do, with honorable mention going to perennial &quot;on-the-way-up&quot; page-r Mario Ramirez.

Despite sharing his name (if not his mane) with some of the disco-era&#039;s most generously-coiffed booty-shakers,  (http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/3/9/8/8/658893_356x237.jpg)
...Frank Tavares seems to have done most of his best work in Pittsburgh.

Man, I miss that era.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnq11 &#8211; True &#8216;nuf. I was thinking in terms of Bibby&#8217;s ascent to the bigs in the wake of the Ryan trade&#8230; they certainly were stocked in those years. Bibby&#8217;s minor-league rotation-mates also included Gary Gentry, Buzz Capra, Steve Renko, and Danny Frisella (before he became a reliever). </p>
<p>A quick (and NOT thorough, nor definitive by any means) perusal of some old programs from the late &#8217;70&#8242;s vouches favorably for the superiority of Sr. Espinosa&#8217;s afr-etic gifts. After his departure, the torch at Shea seemed to have be carried most admirably by Cardenal&#8217;s world-class &#8216;do, with honorable mention going to perennial &#8220;on-the-way-up&#8221; page-r Mario Ramirez.</p>
<p>Despite sharing his name (if not his mane) with some of the disco-era&#8217;s most generously-coiffed booty-shakers,  (<a href="http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/3/9/8/8/658893_356x237.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://image.listen.com/img/356&#215;237/3/9/8/8/658893_356x237.jpg</a>)<br />
&#8230;Frank Tavares seems to have done most of his best work in Pittsburgh.</p>
<p>Man, I miss that era.</p>
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		<title>By: mbtn01</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-10488</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cardenal probably had the best in terms of sheer volume but I was always partial to Nino Espinosa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardenal probably had the best in terms of sheer volume but I was always partial to Nino Espinosa.</p>
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		<title>By: johnq11</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2010/02/19/jim-bibby-2/#comment-10487</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ramlin Pete,

Bibby could have easily been the FIFTH starter on those 70&#039;s Mets: Seaver, Ryan, Koosman, Matlack, and Bibby.

As far as the biggest Metfro during the mid 70&#039;s, there&#039;s not one that stands out but I remember Tom Hall having a fairly decent Afro, Cleon Jones and John Milner didn&#039;t really have long hair for the time period. I think Gene Clines had a half-way decent Afro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramlin Pete,</p>
<p>Bibby could have easily been the FIFTH starter on those 70&#8242;s Mets: Seaver, Ryan, Koosman, Matlack, and Bibby.</p>
<p>As far as the biggest Metfro during the mid 70&#8242;s, there&#8217;s not one that stands out but I remember Tom Hall having a fairly decent Afro, Cleon Jones and John Milner didn&#8217;t really have long hair for the time period. I think Gene Clines had a half-way decent Afro.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin&#39; pete</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm...Morty as &quot;The Watcher?&quot; 

Truth be told, The Watcher, described as being &quot;anywhere from 15 to 50 feet tall, usually depending on who was drawing him,&quot; by Stan Lee in that  treasured tome of my childhood &quot;Son of Orgins of Marvel Comics,&quot; cast a pretty big shadow, but was never quite as...LOUD as the eminince grise of 8th Street Wines and Liquors. I can hear Morty&#039;s voice echoing, even now, through my subconscious: Bigger than Bibby, indeed...

 

During my own tenure at the legendary establishment, I feel certain that I must have heard &quot;Man plans, Petey, God laughs!.&quot; on more than one occasion. Or at least it sure seems that way. Along with a steady stream of Yiddish insults, of course.

Whenever something has you down, it may (or may not) cheer you up to think along the lines you describe.  
“May (this) be the worst thing that happens to you,” can be cheering, even in its foreboding. Yes... things aren&#039;t SO bad... if we&#039;re lucky, there always WILL be something worse coming up for us in the future...

Great lead off to the third paragraph by the way. Hit the nail on the head. 

I always speculated what the mid-70&#039;s Mets would have been like had they not packaged a minor-league Bibby to St. Louis in the deal that brought them a few middling, but vital cogs on their &#039;73 pennant winners. (Ace pinch hitter Jim Beauchamp and versatile righty Harry Parker.)

Besides being the best fourth starter on an astounding pitching staff, he would have had the biggest afro in Flushing by a long shot on those pre-Espinosa/Cardenal rosters. I guess Felix Millan probably had the biggest Metsfro in those years. Is that correct? Pepe Mangual got into 41 games back in &#039;76, but he didn&#039;t stick around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;Morty as &#8220;The Watcher?&#8221; </p>
<p>Truth be told, The Watcher, described as being &#8220;anywhere from 15 to 50 feet tall, usually depending on who was drawing him,&#8221; by Stan Lee in that  treasured tome of my childhood &#8220;Son of Orgins of Marvel Comics,&#8221; cast a pretty big shadow, but was never quite as&#8230;LOUD as the eminince grise of 8th Street Wines and Liquors. I can hear Morty&#8217;s voice echoing, even now, through my subconscious: Bigger than Bibby, indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>During my own tenure at the legendary establishment, I feel certain that I must have heard &#8220;Man plans, Petey, God laughs!.&#8221; on more than one occasion. Or at least it sure seems that way. Along with a steady stream of Yiddish insults, of course.</p>
<p>Whenever something has you down, it may (or may not) cheer you up to think along the lines you describe.<br />
“May (this) be the worst thing that happens to you,” can be cheering, even in its foreboding. Yes&#8230; things aren&#8217;t SO bad&#8230; if we&#8217;re lucky, there always WILL be something worse coming up for us in the future&#8230;</p>
<p>Great lead off to the third paragraph by the way. Hit the nail on the head. </p>
<p>I always speculated what the mid-70&#8242;s Mets would have been like had they not packaged a minor-league Bibby to St. Louis in the deal that brought them a few middling, but vital cogs on their &#8217;73 pennant winners. (Ace pinch hitter Jim Beauchamp and versatile righty Harry Parker.)</p>
<p>Besides being the best fourth starter on an astounding pitching staff, he would have had the biggest afro in Flushing by a long shot on those pre-Espinosa/Cardenal rosters. I guess Felix Millan probably had the biggest Metsfro in those years. Is that correct? Pepe Mangual got into 41 games back in &#8217;76, but he didn&#8217;t stick around.</p>
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		<title>By: bigdaddyfilth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could not say it better myself, Josh.  I actually read Joe&#039;s Eulogy earlier not realizing you read it too.  I believe Greg Kihn Summed it up best, .....&quot;They don&#039;t write &#039;em like that anymore.  They just don&#039;t write &#039;em like that anymore.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not say it better myself, Josh.  I actually read Joe&#8217;s Eulogy earlier not realizing you read it too.  I believe Greg Kihn Summed it up best, &#8230;..&#8221;They don&#8217;t write &#8216;em like that anymore.  They just don&#8217;t write &#8216;em like that anymore.&#8221;</p>
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