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		<title>By: a red sox fan from pinstripe territory</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2009/01/13/lou-brock/#comment-8154</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;18.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Batting cages in shots: pretty common among cards that are posed, pre-game shots. I&#039;ve actually been poring over the Topps Baseball Card book the last few days--it&#039;s open in front of me, and looking on the page it&#039;s open to (1982, cards 289-324), I see Chambliss in front of the cage, Reggie, too. And on Hargove, you see the edge of it. I&#039;m working on one crazy card project--stop giving me ideas! :) (The all-batting cage set...oy.)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>18.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Batting cages in shots: pretty common among cards that are posed, pre-game shots. I&#8217;ve actually been poring over the Topps Baseball Card book the last few days&#8211;it&#8217;s open in front of me, and looking on the page it&#8217;s open to (1982, cards 289-324), I see Chambliss in front of the cage, Reggie, too. And on Hargove, you see the edge of it. I&#8217;m working on one crazy card project&#8211;stop giving me ideas! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (The all-batting cage set&#8230;oy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;17.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#13&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;13&lt;/a&gt; : Batting cages in cards: A quick spot check says these are not too common, but oddly enough the first card I checked had one (also the only card on this site with no original writing accompanying it: Bill Buckner&#039;s Cubs card).

&lt;a href=&quot;#14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;14&lt;/a&gt; : Thanks for the link to the Wallace essay. Looks good.

&lt;a href=&quot;#16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;16&lt;/a&gt; : Dang, I&#039;m dying to know the answer to that Ainge/Bo question. I&#039;d look into it but I want to see if I can come up with it first. Did Garth Iorg play for the Royals, maybe? Ah, I bet it&#039;s some drifting reliever.

I&#039;ve seen Lewis Black; he made me laugh. Mitch Hedberg must have been great.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>17.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#13" rel="nofollow">13</a> : Batting cages in cards: A quick spot check says these are not too common, but oddly enough the first card I checked had one (also the only card on this site with no original writing accompanying it: Bill Buckner&#8217;s Cubs card).</p>
<p><a href="#14" rel="nofollow">14</a> : Thanks for the link to the Wallace essay. Looks good.</p>
<p><a href="#16" rel="nofollow">16</a> : Dang, I&#8217;m dying to know the answer to that Ainge/Bo question. I&#8217;d look into it but I want to see if I can come up with it first. Did Garth Iorg play for the Royals, maybe? Ah, I bet it&#8217;s some drifting reliever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Lewis Black; he made me laugh. Mitch Hedberg must have been great.</p>
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		<title>By: Ennui Willie Keeler</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;16.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Re sports radio, I think the only time I ever called in was to stump to host.  He couldn&#039;t name a player who was a teammate of both Bo Jackson and Danny Ainge so I won tix to see Mitch Hedberg and Lewis Black.

But I&#039;ve listened to sports radio on and off since 1991.  I Used to listen to the FAN more often.  It seemed to be come in better here in Hartford back in the day.  Lately, I&#039;ve listened to more ESPN radio with an occasional turn of the dial to WEEI.

Even before 1991, WTIC in Hartford had an evening sports show with an old guy named Arnold Dean.  He was like the anti-Jim Rome.  He probably said stuff as stupid as what Dibble says, but would do it in a nice way.  BTW, Dibble&#039;s dad was an award winning newsman at WTIC.  I swear to God.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>16.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Re sports radio, I think the only time I ever called in was to stump to host.  He couldn&#8217;t name a player who was a teammate of both Bo Jackson and Danny Ainge so I won tix to see Mitch Hedberg and Lewis Black.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve listened to sports radio on and off since 1991.  I Used to listen to the FAN more often.  It seemed to be come in better here in Hartford back in the day.  Lately, I&#8217;ve listened to more ESPN radio with an occasional turn of the dial to WEEI.</p>
<p>Even before 1991, WTIC in Hartford had an evening sports show with an old guy named Arnold Dean.  He was like the anti-Jim Rome.  He probably said stuff as stupid as what Dibble says, but would do it in a nice way.  BTW, Dibble&#8217;s dad was an award winning newsman at WTIC.  I swear to God.</p>
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		<title>By: immouch</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;15.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;it&#039;s never too early.


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		<title>By: JohnWockenpuss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;14.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Hey Josh,

Great stuff as always.

I&#039;ve only ever called in to a sports talk show twice -- Lee &quot;Hacksaw&quot; Hamilton out here on the west coast.  Even though I like Hamilton, yes you do get rushed through when you finally get on the air.

A truly fascinating description of talk radio in general and what the imperatives and techniques are is David Foster Wallace&#039;s 2004 piece, &quot;Host&quot; (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200504/wallace)  It&#039;s crucial to remember that talk radio does not need or try to be informative or correct, only entertaining. 

QUOTE:

&lt;strong&gt;The fact of the matter is that it is not John Ziegler&#039;s job to be responsible, or nuanced, or to think about whether his on-air comments are productive or dangerous, or cogent, or even defensible. That is not to say that the host would not defend his [position]&#151;strenuously&#151;or that he does not believe it&#039;s true. It is to say that he has exactly one on-air job, and that is to be stimulating.&lt;/strong&gt;

One other note is that I have a friend who is a radio producer, and I have more than once been recruited to make a staged phone call to a national talk show.  Nothing sinister, but just as a way to bring up a particular topic that the host wanted to get on the table.  

How is the book coming?

JWP


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>14.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Hey Josh,</p>
<p>Great stuff as always.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only ever called in to a sports talk show twice &#8212; Lee &#8220;Hacksaw&#8221; Hamilton out here on the west coast.  Even though I like Hamilton, yes you do get rushed through when you finally get on the air.</p>
<p>A truly fascinating description of talk radio in general and what the imperatives and techniques are is David Foster Wallace&#8217;s 2004 piece, &#8220;Host&#8221; (<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200504/wallace" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200504/wallace</a>)  It&#8217;s crucial to remember that talk radio does not need or try to be informative or correct, only entertaining. </p>
<p>QUOTE:</p>
<p><strong>The fact of the matter is that it is not John Ziegler&#8217;s job to be responsible, or nuanced, or to think about whether his on-air comments are productive or dangerous, or cogent, or even defensible. That is not to say that the host would not defend his [position]&#8212;strenuously&#8212;or that he does not believe it&#8217;s true. It is to say that he has exactly one on-air job, and that is to be stimulating.</strong></p>
<p>One other note is that I have a friend who is a radio producer, and I have more than once been recruited to make a staged phone call to a national talk show.  Nothing sinister, but just as a way to bring up a particular topic that the host wanted to get on the table.  </p>
<p>How is the book coming?</p>
<p>JWP</p>
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		<title>By: Ennui Willie Keeler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;13.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;There&#039;s a batting cage in this card.  How common was that?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>13.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;There&#8217;s a batting cage in this card.  How common was that?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;12.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;For anybody still contemplating Rice, here&#039;s an excellent take on the subject:

http://wezen-ball.blogspot.com/2008/12/through-years-jim-rice.html


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>12.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;For anybody still contemplating Rice, here&#8217;s an excellent take on the subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://wezen-ball.blogspot.com/2008/12/through-years-jim-rice.html" rel="nofollow">http://wezen-ball.blogspot.com/2008/12/through-years-jim-rice.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: a red sox fan from pinstripe territory</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;11.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&quot;I just don&#039;t know what the point of the HOF is without Bonds and Clemens. That would be a huge, huge hole. I&#039;m dead-set against Pete Rose, however...&quot;

Wait a minute. So the guys who &quot;cheat[ed] to get better&quot; SHOULD be honored for what they accomplished on the field, but a guy who cheated in a way that didn&#039;t improve his playing ability shouldn&#039;t?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>11.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8221;I just don&#8217;t know what the point of the HOF is without Bonds and Clemens. That would be a huge, huge hole. I&#8217;m dead-set against Pete Rose, however&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a minute. So the guys who &#8220;cheat[ed] to get better&#8221; SHOULD be honored for what they accomplished on the field, but a guy who cheated in a way that didn&#8217;t improve his playing ability shouldn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;10.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;7&lt;/a&gt; : Yeah, it&#039;s all about the narrative. Good point. Maybe in place of a narrative, Raines supporters such as myself can start pushing an analogy: Raines is Jimmy Foxx to Rickey&#039;s Lou Gehrig.

&lt;a href=&quot;#8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;8&lt;/a&gt; : Rice and his long wait is like the aging hood who after years and years of hijacking trucks and breaking guys kneecaps finally gets made. Took him awhile, but made is made. I&#039;m happy about it.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>10.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#7" rel="nofollow">7</a> : Yeah, it&#8217;s all about the narrative. Good point. Maybe in place of a narrative, Raines supporters such as myself can start pushing an analogy: Raines is Jimmy Foxx to Rickey&#8217;s Lou Gehrig.</p>
<p><a href="#8" rel="nofollow">8</a> : Rice and his long wait is like the aging hood who after years and years of hijacking trucks and breaking guys kneecaps finally gets made. Took him awhile, but made is made. I&#8217;m happy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: sb1902</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;9.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I&#039;m in a agree with the general theme of my fellow basemen-dwellers about Jim Rice not quite being there for me, either as a HOFer and also in sharing my frustration at the Dan Shaughnessys advertising their ignorance on even basic new evaluation tools (ignoring Sabermetrics while covering baseball is like not talking about the Internet during the Presidential election). 

In regards to Rice, I e-mailed a writer I like a great deal, Bob Ryan from The Boston Globe and various ESPN programming, and asked him if was bothered by the idea of the Hall having such pseudo-luminaries as Jim Rice, Orlando Cepeda and Ton Perez and NOT having Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Ryan quite adamant that this presented no problem to him (he was actually a little snippy (uncharacteristically) and haughty.
I just don&#039;t know what the point of the HOF is without Bonds and Clemens. That would be a huge, huge hole. 

(I&#039;m dead-set against Pete Rose, however; he did not cheat to get better, like the steroid guys did, but God knows he&#039;s a whole other nasty-message-posting issue.)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>9.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;m in a agree with the general theme of my fellow basemen-dwellers about Jim Rice not quite being there for me, either as a HOFer and also in sharing my frustration at the Dan Shaughnessys advertising their ignorance on even basic new evaluation tools (ignoring Sabermetrics while covering baseball is like not talking about the Internet during the Presidential election). </p>
<p>In regards to Rice, I e-mailed a writer I like a great deal, Bob Ryan from The Boston Globe and various ESPN programming, and asked him if was bothered by the idea of the Hall having such pseudo-luminaries as Jim Rice, Orlando Cepeda and Ton Perez and NOT having Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Ryan quite adamant that this presented no problem to him (he was actually a little snippy (uncharacteristically) and haughty.<br />
I just don&#8217;t know what the point of the HOF is without Bonds and Clemens. That would be a huge, huge hole. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m dead-set against Pete Rose, however; he did not cheat to get better, like the steroid guys did, but God knows he&#8217;s a whole other nasty-message-posting issue.)</p>
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