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		<title>By: ramblinpete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-9248</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh - let it be said that cardboardgods.NET (that&#039;s dot-NET!)is the baseball-card-blog equivalent of the corner of 11th Street and 6th Avenue, so far as these things go. Bar none.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8211; let it be said that cardboardgods.NET (that&#8217;s dot-NET!)is the baseball-card-blog equivalent of the corner of 11th Street and 6th Avenue, so far as these things go. Bar none.</p>
<p>Pass the oregano.</p>
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		<title>By: Zernialophile</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-6701</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;12.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Just looking through old posts, as the weather outside is frightful...minus 30 windchill on sunny Sunday afternoon in Chicago.

&lt;a href=&quot;#4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt;  Wrigleyville was never a &quot;bad part of town&quot; - it was always a fairly quiet, residential, mostly white neighborhood that happened to have a ballpark as its defining feature.  When the popularity of the team took off in 1984, aided by Harry Caray and WGN, the number of bars surrounding the stadium multiplied exponentially, and the frat-party atmosphere entrenched itself.

As for the stands being packed on a daily basis, that didn&#039;t really become the case until 2003.  The Cubs have drawn very well ever since &#039;84 but, until the 2003 season, they&#039;d only get crowds of 15 to 20k for early and late season day games.  Unless they were playing the Cardinals or the White Sox, mid-week games would never sell out.  Now, it&#039;s a different story.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>12.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Just looking through old posts, as the weather outside is frightful&#8230;minus 30 windchill on sunny Sunday afternoon in Chicago.</p>
<p><a href="#4" rel="nofollow">4</a>  Wrigleyville was never a &#8220;bad part of town&#8221; &#8211; it was always a fairly quiet, residential, mostly white neighborhood that happened to have a ballpark as its defining feature.  When the popularity of the team took off in 1984, aided by Harry Caray and WGN, the number of bars surrounding the stadium multiplied exponentially, and the frat-party atmosphere entrenched itself.</p>
<p>As for the stands being packed on a daily basis, that didn&#8217;t really become the case until 2003.  The Cubs have drawn very well ever since &#8217;84 but, until the 2003 season, they&#8217;d only get crowds of 15 to 20k for early and late season day games.  Unless they were playing the Cardinals or the White Sox, mid-week games would never sell out.  Now, it&#8217;s a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: rangers1994</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;11.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I remember watching the Mets-Cubs game on April 17, 1977, in my basement as Tom Seaver pitched yet another of his one-hitters, with the only base hit coming in the fifth inning by Steve Ontiveros, who joined that exclusive club that also features Jimmy Qualls, Mike Compton, Vic Davalillo, and Leron Lee.

Two months later, the Franchise was shipped out to Cincinnati. I&#039;ll always wonder whether, if Ontiveros had not gotten that hit, the Mets would have traded Tom Terrific right after pitching what would have been his first no-no.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>11.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember watching the Mets-Cubs game on April 17, 1977, in my basement as Tom Seaver pitched yet another of his one-hitters, with the only base hit coming in the fifth inning by Steve Ontiveros, who joined that exclusive club that also features Jimmy Qualls, Mike Compton, Vic Davalillo, and Leron Lee.</p>
<p>Two months later, the Franchise was shipped out to Cincinnati. I&#8217;ll always wonder whether, if Ontiveros had not gotten that hit, the Mets would have traded Tom Terrific right after pitching what would have been his first no-no.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Romano</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-6699</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;10.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;The 1979 Pirates that you mentioned, along with the 1972-1974 A&#039;s, are the teams that I think best personified the excesses of the 1970&#039;s.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>10.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;The 1979 Pirates that you mentioned, along with the 1972-1974 A&#8217;s, are the teams that I think best personified the excesses of the 1970&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-6698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;9.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;7&lt;/a&gt; : I didn&#039;t know about that Gene Washington confusion. (They didn&#039;t sell football cards at the general store in my town.)

&lt;a href=&quot;#8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;8&lt;/a&gt; : I was told on a couple occasions that my offensive hoop skills echoed those of basketball Bobby Jones. Unfortunately, he was known not for his offense but for his defense (and for having epilepsy). No one ever compared my defense to his.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>9.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#7" rel="nofollow">7</a> : I didn&#8217;t know about that Gene Washington confusion. (They didn&#8217;t sell football cards at the general store in my town.)</p>
<p><a href="#8" rel="nofollow">8</a> : I was told on a couple occasions that my offensive hoop skills echoed those of basketball Bobby Jones. Unfortunately, he was known not for his offense but for his defense (and for having epilepsy). No one ever compared my defense to his.</p>
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		<title>By: Ennui Willie Keeler</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-6697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ennui Willie Keeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;8.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&quot; Are there two Kurt Bevacquas? Are there two Biff Pocorobas? Why must there be more than one Steve Ontiveros?&quot;

I&#039;ve wondered that myself.  As far Bobby Jones, he was also a great golfer, as well as a Philadelphia 76er.  When I was young, I got Tommie Aaron and Tommy Aaron mixed up.

That string of dada search engine entries in the Rowland Office thread cracked me up.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>8.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8221; Are there two Kurt Bevacquas? Are there two Biff Pocorobas? Why must there be more than one Steve Ontiveros?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered that myself.  As far Bobby Jones, he was also a great golfer, as well as a Philadelphia 76er.  When I was young, I got Tommie Aaron and Tommy Aaron mixed up.</p>
<p>That string of dada search engine entries in the Rowland Office thread cracked me up.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/09/26/steve-ontiveros-and-doug-capilla/#comment-6696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ramblin pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;7.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Yeah, the Bobby Joneses...

At two different points in their history the Mets pitching staff simultaneously boasted two Bob Millers and then two Bobby Joneses. 

Matters of race, role, different middle initials, and the fact that in each instance one was a lefty and one was a righty, never seemed to help anyone figure out what the hell was going on all that  much. 

And in football, didn&#039;t Gene Washington once mistakenly appear on the card of Gene Washington?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>7.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, the Bobby Joneses&#8230;</p>
<p>At two different points in their history the Mets pitching staff simultaneously boasted two Bob Millers and then two Bobby Joneses. </p>
<p>Matters of race, role, different middle initials, and the fact that in each instance one was a lefty and one was a righty, never seemed to help anyone figure out what the hell was going on all that  much. </p>
<p>And in football, didn&#8217;t Gene Washington once mistakenly appear on the card of Gene Washington?</p>
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		<title>By: wireroom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wireroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;6.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;By the way Josh, I have run across the &quot;other&quot; cardboard gods site.  Those dudes lack the  Bruce Willis feel of your writing.  Glad to see you lay claim to being the first.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>6.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;By the way Josh, I have run across the &#8220;other&#8221; cardboard gods site.  Those dudes lack the  Bruce Willis feel of your writing.  Glad to see you lay claim to being the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;5.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt; : Perhaps Hendrickson is trying to follow in the footsteps of the great Gene Conley, who won a couple championships backing up Bill Russell on the Celtics, kicked around the majors for some years as a pitcher, and once (along with Pumpsie Green) walked off a Red Sox team bus in a traffic jam and was later found trying to board a plane to Israel.

&lt;a href=&quot;#4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt; : Hopefully a Cubs fan can chime in on that history question. I&#039;ve only been living in Chicago in the boozy, Mardi Gras-esque &quot;Wrigley Field Hottie&quot; era. 

&quot;Maybe this Steve Ontiveros slipped into the 9th dimension and never returned.&quot;

I don&#039;t know his ultimate destination, but I believe after getting the heave ho by the Cubs he went to Japan and played for a while there. I&#039;ve had him on the roster of a couple of my 1970s Strat-O-Matic teams. He was a pretty decent hitter. Not much power but a good OBP guy.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>5.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#3" rel="nofollow">3</a> : Perhaps Hendrickson is trying to follow in the footsteps of the great Gene Conley, who won a couple championships backing up Bill Russell on the Celtics, kicked around the majors for some years as a pitcher, and once (along with Pumpsie Green) walked off a Red Sox team bus in a traffic jam and was later found trying to board a plane to Israel.</p>
<p><a href="#4" rel="nofollow">4</a> : Hopefully a Cubs fan can chime in on that history question. I&#8217;ve only been living in Chicago in the boozy, Mardi Gras-esque &#8220;Wrigley Field Hottie&#8221; era. </p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe this Steve Ontiveros slipped into the 9th dimension and never returned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know his ultimate destination, but I believe after getting the heave ho by the Cubs he went to Japan and played for a while there. I&#8217;ve had him on the roster of a couple of my 1970s Strat-O-Matic teams. He was a pretty decent hitter. Not much power but a good OBP guy.</p>
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		<title>By: wireroom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;4.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;So I have a question about the Cubs and Wrigley and Wrigleyville on this lazy Friday night.  My girlfriend lives in Wrigleyville and I was just here this past week or so.  She swears up and down that the area was not the hip, gentrified area that it is now 25 years ago.  The one where people pack into the stands on a daily basis these days.  I still disagree with her.  
Every time I am out there I have to walk around that old ball yard.  It never gets old for me.  So the point of my rambling query is this.  Did Steve and Doug up above play at a Wrigley Field in a bad part of town that was vacant by the end of a forgotten season?  This card makes me think of a vast desolateness in the middle of Chicago.  
Maybe this Steve Ontiveros slipped into the 9th dimension and never returned.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>4.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;So I have a question about the Cubs and Wrigley and Wrigleyville on this lazy Friday night.  My girlfriend lives in Wrigleyville and I was just here this past week or so.  She swears up and down that the area was not the hip, gentrified area that it is now 25 years ago.  The one where people pack into the stands on a daily basis these days.  I still disagree with her.<br />
Every time I am out there I have to walk around that old ball yard.  It never gets old for me.  So the point of my rambling query is this.  Did Steve and Doug up above play at a Wrigley Field in a bad part of town that was vacant by the end of a forgotten season?  This card makes me think of a vast desolateness in the middle of Chicago.<br />
Maybe this Steve Ontiveros slipped into the 9th dimension and never returned.</p>
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