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		<title>By: rangers1994</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4928</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;18.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;How did Barry Bonnell rank according to Bill James&#039;s system, which has been mentioned on Cardboard Gods many times?

James will be on 60 MINUTES on Sunday night, with Morley Safer, talking alot about the work he has done with that religious sect in the Northeast known as the Red Sox.

http://tinyurl.com/3xcwtj


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>18.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;How did Barry Bonnell rank according to Bill James&#8217;s system, which has been mentioned on Cardboard Gods many times?</p>
<p>James will be on 60 MINUTES on Sunday night, with Morley Safer, talking alot about the work he has done with that religious sect in the Northeast known as the Red Sox.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3xcwtj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3xcwtj</a></p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4927</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;17.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;It&#039;s become commonplace these days for a celebrating athlete to point heavenward after a big play, or to celebrate a victory. 

Just &lt;strong&gt;once&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;d love to see a game-ending strike out, or a key home run followed by an emphatic and loving point downward. 

You know, to honor the troubled and departed - but dearly beloved - family member who was an inspirational figure to the celebrant but just happened to be a crack peddling arsonist or an axe murderer before being unfortunately consigned to the seventh circle of the underworld.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>17.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;It&#8217;s become commonplace these days for a celebrating athlete to point heavenward after a big play, or to celebrate a victory. </p>
<p>Just <strong>once</strong> I&#8217;d love to see a game-ending strike out, or a key home run followed by an emphatic and loving point downward. </p>
<p>You know, to honor the troubled and departed &#8211; but dearly beloved &#8211; family member who was an inspirational figure to the celebrant but just happened to be a crack peddling arsonist or an axe murderer before being unfortunately consigned to the seventh circle of the underworld.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey Head</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4926</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;16.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Baseball Toaster (well, Dodger Thoughts) was mentioned in the LA Times yesterday:
http://theguide.latimes.com/general/latcl-50-ways-to-love-your-dodgers-article


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>16.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Baseball Toaster (well, Dodger Thoughts) was mentioned in the LA Times yesterday:<br />
<a href="http://theguide.latimes.com/general/latcl-50-ways-to-love-your-dodgers-article" rel="nofollow">http://theguide.latimes.com/general/latcl-50-ways-to-love-your-dodgers-article</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4925</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;15.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;12&lt;/a&gt; : Great article. Thanks, Pete.

&lt;a href=&quot;#13&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;13&lt;/a&gt; , &lt;a href=&quot;#14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;14&lt;/a&gt; : Speaking of &quot;hell,&quot; here&#039;s an anecdote that&#039;ll bring it all back to Barry Bonnell (from the aforementioned mlb.com article): 

&quot;Bonnell, who was splitting time at third base and in the outfield, was a factor in the Rookie of the Year balloting, so a series in his hometown [Cincinnati] was a big deal for him. When he got there, he saw a bunch of kids from his church who were holding a supportive banner. &#039;It was a play on the old Harry Truman quote. It said: &quot;Give &#039;em Hell, Barry,&quot;&#039; Bonnell said. &#039;I didn&#039;t want them using that kind of language. I told them to take it down and they did.&#039;&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>15.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#12" rel="nofollow">12</a> : Great article. Thanks, Pete.</p>
<p><a href="#13" rel="nofollow">13</a> , <a href="#14" rel="nofollow">14</a> : Speaking of &#8220;hell,&#8221; here&#8217;s an anecdote that&#8217;ll bring it all back to Barry Bonnell (from the aforementioned mlb.com article): </p>
<p>&#8220;Bonnell, who was splitting time at third base and in the outfield, was a factor in the Rookie of the Year balloting, so a series in his hometown [Cincinnati] was a big deal for him. When he got there, he saw a bunch of kids from his church who were holding a supportive banner. &#8216;It was a play on the old Harry Truman quote. It said: &#8220;Give &#8216;em Hell, Barry,&#8221;&#8216; Bonnell said. &#8216;I didn&#8217;t want them using that kind of language. I told them to take it down and they did.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Romano</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4924</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;14.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#13&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;13&lt;/a&gt;  You are right. Gaetti is the guy I was thinking of, although maybe you should say heck of a long time in his case.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>14.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#13" rel="nofollow">13</a>  You are right. Gaetti is the guy I was thinking of, although maybe you should say heck of a long time in his case.</p>
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		<title>By: sansho1</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4923</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;13.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&quot;his story doesn&#039;t really lend itself to the &quot;lose the edge&quot; theory. I can&#039;t think of anyone offhand who does&quot;

That&#039;s what was said about Gary Gaetti, who went from carouser to born-again Christian in 1988.  His production dropped off markedly afterwards, though I draw no conclusions from this.  He lasted a hell of a long time afterwards, and became a productive player again in his mid- to late-30s.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>13.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8221;his story doesn&#8217;t really lend itself to the &#8220;lose the edge&#8221; theory. I can&#8217;t think of anyone offhand who does&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what was said about Gary Gaetti, who went from carouser to born-again Christian in 1988.  His production dropped off markedly afterwards, though I draw no conclusions from this.  He lasted a hell of a long time afterwards, and became a productive player again in his mid- to late-30s.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4922</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;12.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;As far as getting &quot;born again,&quot; I recall Steve Howe used to relapse...find God...relapse...find God...relapse...etc. etc.

The George W. Bush/John Wetteland era Texas Rangers also took a faith-based team initiative to extremes...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE5DA1F38F934A15754C0A961958260


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>12.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;As far as getting &#8220;born again,&#8221; I recall Steve Howe used to relapse&#8230;find God&#8230;relapse&#8230;find God&#8230;relapse&#8230;etc. etc.</p>
<p>The George W. Bush/John Wetteland era Texas Rangers also took a faith-based team initiative to extremes&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE5DA1F38F934A15754C0A961958260" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE5DA1F38F934A15754C0A961958260</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;11.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;9&lt;/a&gt; : According to an mlb.com article entitled &quot;Where&#039;ve You Gone, Barry Bonnell&quot; (http://tinyurl.com/2q8zsd), the baptism happened early, when they were both still in the minors. So his story doesn&#039;t really lend itself to the &quot;lose the edge&quot; theory. I can&#039;t think of anyone offhand who does, but trying to come up with someone reminded me of two notable mid-career &quot;conversions&quot;: Frank Tanana, who turned away from a fast lane life and to Jesus when his ferocious early-career fastball deserted him; and Darryl Strawberry, who went all glassy-eyed with unstable Christ-love when he went from the Mets to the Dodgers.

&lt;a href=&quot;#10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;10&lt;/a&gt; : Yeah, the Rockies thing gives me the creeps, maybe because when things get too &quot;Christ-y&quot; I&#039;m always worried that the anti-semitism on display with the Houston/Ward Knicks (http://tinyurl.com/3dv277) can&#039;t be too far behind.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>11.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#9" rel="nofollow">9</a> : According to an mlb.com article entitled &#8220;Where&#8217;ve You Gone, Barry Bonnell&#8221; (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2q8zsd" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2q8zsd</a>), the baptism happened early, when they were both still in the minors. So his story doesn&#8217;t really lend itself to the &#8220;lose the edge&#8221; theory. I can&#8217;t think of anyone offhand who does, but trying to come up with someone reminded me of two notable mid-career &#8220;conversions&#8221;: Frank Tanana, who turned away from a fast lane life and to Jesus when his ferocious early-career fastball deserted him; and Darryl Strawberry, who went all glassy-eyed with unstable Christ-love when he went from the Mets to the Dodgers.</p>
<p><a href="#10" rel="nofollow">10</a> : Yeah, the Rockies thing gives me the creeps, maybe because when things get too &#8220;Christ-y&#8221; I&#8217;m always worried that the anti-semitism on display with the Houston/Ward Knicks (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3dv277" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3dv277</a>) can&#8217;t be too far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: rangers1994</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4920</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;10.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Getting back to the religion thing, faith in sports can be a fascinating yet disarming topic.

I can&#039;t remember if it was here or on another site, but we got into a discussion of the Colorado Rockies and their &quot;Christian-based code of ethics&quot;: http://tinyurl.com/plk39

Then there was Charlie Ward and Allan Houston leading exclusionary locker-room prayer circles when they were on the Knicks:
http://tinyurl.com/2uqhvl

And just the other day, some pinhead wrote in to the Daily News Voice of the People page to complain about how awful and disrespectful it was for the NHL to have games on Good Friday.

When it comes down to it, there is probably more praying going on during sporting events than at any other time, including at church, mosque, and synagogue.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>10.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Getting back to the religion thing, faith in sports can be a fascinating yet disarming topic.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember if it was here or on another site, but we got into a discussion of the Colorado Rockies and their &#8220;Christian-based code of ethics&#8221;: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/plk39" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/plk39</a></p>
<p>Then there was Charlie Ward and Allan Houston leading exclusionary locker-room prayer circles when they were on the Knicks:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2uqhvl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2uqhvl</a></p>
<p>And just the other day, some pinhead wrote in to the Daily News Voice of the People page to complain about how awful and disrespectful it was for the NHL to have games on Good Friday.</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, there is probably more praying going on during sporting events than at any other time, including at church, mosque, and synagogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Romano</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/03/27/barry-bonnell/#comment-4919</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;9.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;When was Dale Murphy baptized? I have wondered in the past as to what effect, if any, a religious enlightenment has on an athlete&#039;s performance. My fear was always that it could result in them losing their edge.  Murphy put up some monster years, but after 1987 his numbers dropped precipitously.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>9.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;When was Dale Murphy baptized? I have wondered in the past as to what effect, if any, a religious enlightenment has on an athlete&#8217;s performance. My fear was always that it could result in them losing their edge.  Murphy put up some monster years, but after 1987 his numbers dropped precipitously.</p>
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