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		<title>By: CMcFood</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4878</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;16.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;This series is so good it hurts, Josh. Keep bringin&#039; &quot;the pain&quot;, 

And...thanks.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>16.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;This series is so good it hurts, Josh. Keep bringin&#8217; &#8220;the pain&#8221;, </p>
<p>And&#8230;thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4877</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;15.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#13&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;13&lt;/a&gt; : My memory of the Ramblin Pete-Tom Seaver meeting was that as you approached him you did so with while voicing &quot;I&#039;m not crazy&quot;-type assurances.

Around that time, I rode an elevator with the great man. He was bigger than I expected, and he was accompanied by Gary Thorne, his broadcast partner. Their interaction was exactly like that of the two dogs in the old Warner Brothers cartoon, the larger bulldog silent while the smaller dog keeps up a constant pandering commentary: &quot;Whaddaya wanta do now, Tom? Are we goin&#039; to that party? Nah, that party&#039;s lame, huh, Tom? Right, Tom?&quot; (etc.).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>15.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#13" rel="nofollow">13</a> : My memory of the Ramblin Pete-Tom Seaver meeting was that as you approached him you did so with while voicing &#8220;I&#8217;m not crazy&#8221;-type assurances.</p>
<p>Around that time, I rode an elevator with the great man. He was bigger than I expected, and he was accompanied by Gary Thorne, his broadcast partner. Their interaction was exactly like that of the two dogs in the old Warner Brothers cartoon, the larger bulldog silent while the smaller dog keeps up a constant pandering commentary: &#8220;Whaddaya wanta do now, Tom? Are we goin&#8217; to that party? Nah, that party&#8217;s lame, huh, Tom? Right, Tom?&#8221; (etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4876</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;14.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6&lt;/a&gt;  PS:  Ali (aka &quot;The Houmaloudee&quot;) was the Man!

I mean... jeez, can you imagine Tiger Woods taking a stance on anything beyond pushing Nike accesories?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>14.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#6" rel="nofollow">6</a>  PS:  Ali (aka &#8220;The Houmaloudee&#8221;) was the Man!</p>
<p>I mean&#8230; jeez, can you imagine Tiger Woods taking a stance on anything beyond pushing Nike accesories?</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4875</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;13.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I could go on at length about how Tom Seaver was my favorite ballplayer as a kid (or my favorite &quot;star.&quot; I always had a soft spot for the J.C. Martins and George Theodores.) 

About how I, too, mimicked him in schoolyard wiffle games, about how my childhood effectively ended that June day he was dealt to Cincinnati, about how I made my thus far only pilgrimage to Cooperstown on the day he was inducted.

Or even about how my feelings concerning the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are exactly the same as yours....

Good stuff. 

I&#039;ll only mention that Tom Seaver himself walked into the bookstore where we all worked one day. I can&#039;t remember if it was 2000, or 2001. Or if it was before the Towers fell. Or if it was the holidays. Or what the weather was like.

But there he was. He was accompanying his wife Nancy on what was obviously a very, very long and tedious day of shopping in the city. 

He was cranky. He was weary. His wife was off perusing mysteries and travelogues. 
As I approached him tentatively to inquire if he needed help finding anything, he seemed slightly edgy and recalcitrant. 

He didn&#039;t say much, but as I offered my own hand I told him that I was a Met fan, and that I appreciated him. 

The man I grew up idolizing looked bored and tired. Like he could not wait to catch a cab to Grand Central. He looked like any adult male who had spent a Sunday afternoon in midtown battling crowds and watching his spouse try shoes on. 

And then he extended the most famous Right Arm in the history of the New York Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., gripped my own hand with the same fingers that had struck out over 3600 hapless batsmen, nodded slightly,and made my freaking day.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>13.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I could go on at length about how Tom Seaver was my favorite ballplayer as a kid (or my favorite &#8220;star.&#8221; I always had a soft spot for the J.C. Martins and George Theodores.) </p>
<p>About how I, too, mimicked him in schoolyard wiffle games, about how my childhood effectively ended that June day he was dealt to Cincinnati, about how I made my thus far only pilgrimage to Cooperstown on the day he was inducted.</p>
<p>Or even about how my feelings concerning the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are exactly the same as yours&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good stuff. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll only mention that Tom Seaver himself walked into the bookstore where we all worked one day. I can&#8217;t remember if it was 2000, or 2001. Or if it was before the Towers fell. Or if it was the holidays. Or what the weather was like.</p>
<p>But there he was. He was accompanying his wife Nancy on what was obviously a very, very long and tedious day of shopping in the city. </p>
<p>He was cranky. He was weary. His wife was off perusing mysteries and travelogues.<br />
As I approached him tentatively to inquire if he needed help finding anything, he seemed slightly edgy and recalcitrant. </p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t say much, but as I offered my own hand I told him that I was a Met fan, and that I appreciated him. </p>
<p>The man I grew up idolizing looked bored and tired. Like he could not wait to catch a cab to Grand Central. He looked like any adult male who had spent a Sunday afternoon in midtown battling crowds and watching his spouse try shoes on. </p>
<p>And then he extended the most famous Right Arm in the history of the New York Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., gripped my own hand with the same fingers that had struck out over 3600 hapless batsmen, nodded slightly,and made my freaking day.</p>
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		<title>By: rangers1994</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;12.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;First you got me with Bumbry and now with Seaver, my favorite baseball player ever. Whenever I was pitching -- whether it was to a real person or my Johnny Bench pitchback, with a baseball, a tennis ball, or a Wiffle ball -- it was Seaver&#039;s motion that I mimicked, especially the high leg kick and dragging the knee.

I even carried the boxscore of his no-hitter in my wallet for nearly twenty-five years, until my wallet went missing in Puerto Rico a few years ago.

Here&#039;s another song for you. While not quite as awesome as John Prine&#039;s, it was to us. A bunch of us wrote it on June 15, 1977, the dreadful day Seaver was traded to the Reds for Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn, and Dan Norman. It&#039;s sung to the chorus of &quot;Mrs. Robinson.&quot;

&quot;Where have you gone,
George Thomas Seaver?
A city turns its lonely eyes to you
Not Dick Young.

What&#039;s that you say,
M. Donald Grant?
Tom Terrific&#039;s left and gone away
to Cincinnati
for some crap.&quot;

Hey, we were kids, and that was the best we could come up with.

Musicians take a lot of crap for speaking their minds about politics, and so do ballplayers. Curt Schilling is practically a fascist.

I loved what Delgado did. Look what happened to Sinead O&#039;Connor when she refused to have the National Anthem sung before a concert.

And I&#039;m also glad, Josh, that you also question the need for &quot;God Bless America&quot; at the seventh-inning stretch. They sell their agenda with fear and patriotism -- or should I say, the fear of not being patriotic?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>12.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;First you got me with Bumbry and now with Seaver, my favorite baseball player ever. Whenever I was pitching &#8212; whether it was to a real person or my Johnny Bench pitchback, with a baseball, a tennis ball, or a Wiffle ball &#8212; it was Seaver&#8217;s motion that I mimicked, especially the high leg kick and dragging the knee.</p>
<p>I even carried the boxscore of his no-hitter in my wallet for nearly twenty-five years, until my wallet went missing in Puerto Rico a few years ago.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another song for you. While not quite as awesome as John Prine&#8217;s, it was to us. A bunch of us wrote it on June 15, 1977, the dreadful day Seaver was traded to the Reds for Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn, and Dan Norman. It&#8217;s sung to the chorus of &#8220;Mrs. Robinson.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Where have you gone,<br />
George Thomas Seaver?<br />
A city turns its lonely eyes to you<br />
Not Dick Young.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that you say,<br />
M. Donald Grant?<br />
Tom Terrific&#8217;s left and gone away<br />
to Cincinnati<br />
for some crap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, we were kids, and that was the best we could come up with.</p>
<p>Musicians take a lot of crap for speaking their minds about politics, and so do ballplayers. Curt Schilling is practically a fascist.</p>
<p>I loved what Delgado did. Look what happened to Sinead O&#8217;Connor when she refused to have the National Anthem sung before a concert.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m also glad, Josh, that you also question the need for &#8220;God Bless America&#8221; at the seventh-inning stretch. They sell their agenda with fear and patriotism &#8212; or should I say, the fear of not being patriotic?</p>
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		<title>By: wireroom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;11.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;10 Ha, I would like to hear the actual song with the music.  I must look into that.  Thanks for the link, thoselyrics are great!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>11.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;10 Ha, I would like to hear the actual song with the music.  I must look into that.  Thanks for the link, thoselyrics are great!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Enders</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;10.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;8&lt;/a&gt;  I assume you&#039;re familiar with this song... or if not, you should be.

http://www.jpshrine.org/lyrics/songs/jpflagdecal.html


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>10.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#8" rel="nofollow">8</a>  I assume you&#8217;re familiar with this song&#8230; or if not, you should be.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jpshrine.org/lyrics/songs/jpflagdecal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpshrine.org/lyrics/songs/jpflagdecal.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Enders</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4871</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;9.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6&lt;/a&gt;  For whatever reason, it does seem a lot more acceptable for ballplayers to express right-wing opinions than left-wing ones. Among the latter the only ones I can think of are Delgado and Musial, while the former list would be endless... Schilling, Damon, Ted Williams, Bob Feller, Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton, among many, many others. Also the 1980s Giants and Astros, which had large contingents of John Birchers.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>9.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#6" rel="nofollow">6</a>  For whatever reason, it does seem a lot more acceptable for ballplayers to express right-wing opinions than left-wing ones. Among the latter the only ones I can think of are Delgado and Musial, while the former list would be endless&#8230; Schilling, Damon, Ted Williams, Bob Feller, Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton, among many, many others. Also the 1980s Giants and Astros, which had large contingents of John Birchers.</p>
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		<title>By: wireroom</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4870</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;8.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;So this may be a bit off the subject and I don&#039;t want to come off as a conspiracy guy, which I am not, but I was completely creeped out in the week after the WTC went down.  I worked at a plant nursery/nicknack/home decorative store and literally days after that happened, we received amazing amounts of shipments of American Flag paraphernalia.  It has always unsettled me at how fast those products were available to the masses and how much they were pushed.  I almost felt like I was a traitor because I felt so uncomfortable wearing or putting a sticker on my car.  It bothered me that companies were profitting off of something that was so world shattering.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>8.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;So this may be a bit off the subject and I don&#8217;t want to come off as a conspiracy guy, which I am not, but I was completely creeped out in the week after the WTC went down.  I worked at a plant nursery/nicknack/home decorative store and literally days after that happened, we received amazing amounts of shipments of American Flag paraphernalia.  It has always unsettled me at how fast those products were available to the masses and how much they were pushed.  I almost felt like I was a traitor because I felt so uncomfortable wearing or putting a sticker on my car.  It bothered me that companies were profitting off of something that was so world shattering.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/04/tom-seaver/#comment-4869</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;7.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6&lt;/a&gt; : Thanks for those thoughts, LSFP, and for providing the link to that article about Delgado. I was wondering what became of his protest, and it&#039;s a little chilling to read that the Mets basically ordered Delgado to silence upon his joining Seaver&#039;s former team.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>7.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#6" rel="nofollow">6</a> : Thanks for those thoughts, LSFP, and for providing the link to that article about Delgado. I was wondering what became of his protest, and it&#8217;s a little chilling to read that the Mets basically ordered Delgado to silence upon his joining Seaver&#8217;s former team.</p>
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