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		<title>By: Todd S</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/01/07/pete-rose-in-the-nagging-question/#comment-4682</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;91.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I&#039;d like to vote for Cedeno since he played an up-the-middle position and I like him better than Johnny Bench.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>91.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;d like to vote for Cedeno since he played an up-the-middle position and I like him better than Johnny Bench.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/01/07/pete-rose-in-the-nagging-question/#comment-4681</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;90.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I posted this elsewhere, but just so it&#039;s all in one place, the tally:

Joe Morgan: 10.5 votes
Reggie: 8.5 votes
Carew: 2 votes
Bench: 2 votes
Singleton: 2 votes
Rose: 2 votes
Stargell: 1 vote


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>90.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I posted this elsewhere, but just so it&#8217;s all in one place, the tally:</p>
<p>Joe Morgan: 10.5 votes<br />
Reggie: 8.5 votes<br />
Carew: 2 votes<br />
Bench: 2 votes<br />
Singleton: 2 votes<br />
Rose: 2 votes<br />
Stargell: 1 vote</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/01/07/pete-rose-in-the-nagging-question/#comment-4680</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;89.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#88&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;88&lt;/a&gt; : And also see &lt;a href=&quot;#47&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;47&lt;/a&gt;  for some love for Beastie-celebrated Sadaharu Oh.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>89.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#88" rel="nofollow">88</a> : And also see <a href="#47" rel="nofollow">47</a>  for some love for Beastie-celebrated Sadaharu Oh.</p>
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		<title>By: El Lay Dave</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/01/07/pete-rose-in-the-nagging-question/#comment-4679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Lay Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;88.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#86&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;86&lt;/a&gt;  meet the last paragraph of &lt;a href=&quot;#45&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;45&lt;/a&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>88.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#86" rel="nofollow">86</a>  meet the last paragraph of <a href="#45" rel="nofollow">45</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Lay Dave</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2008/01/07/pete-rose-in-the-nagging-question/#comment-4678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Lay Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;87.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#85&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;85&lt;/a&gt;  Yes, Rose moved from LF to 3B to make room for George Foster, nine years removed from being an everyday 2B.

I didn&#039;t vote for Bench because of the &quot;everyday&quot; criterion.  Sparky Anderson tried to keep Bench&#039;s bat in the lineup by playing him at other positions (Bench at 3rd was a weird sight), but in the second half of the 70s Bench played about the same amount as normal catchers, not playing in about 12 - 20% of the games.

Would Reggie Jackson&#039;s hip interference play have been so &quot;heads-up&quot; if the 1B umpire had had the balls to make the correct call?  (As Toy Cannon alludes to in &lt;a href=&quot;#59&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;59&lt;/a&gt; , Bill Russell should have thrown that ball at Reggie&#039;s noggin - a sizeable target.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>87.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#85" rel="nofollow">85</a>  Yes, Rose moved from LF to 3B to make room for George Foster, nine years removed from being an everyday 2B.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t vote for Bench because of the &#8220;everyday&#8221; criterion.  Sparky Anderson tried to keep Bench&#8217;s bat in the lineup by playing him at other positions (Bench at 3rd was a weird sight), but in the second half of the 70s Bench played about the same amount as normal catchers, not playing in about 12 &#8211; 20% of the games.</p>
<p>Would Reggie Jackson&#8217;s hip interference play have been so &#8220;heads-up&#8221; if the 1B umpire had had the balls to make the correct call?  (As Toy Cannon alludes to in <a href="#59" rel="nofollow">59</a> , Bill Russell should have thrown that ball at Reggie&#8217;s noggin &#8211; a sizeable target.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent is a Dodger Fan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;86.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I vote for Rod Carew because, as far as I know, he was the only player on that list to whom the Beastie Boys gave a shout out to.

But if I were making a vote based upon, say, performance, rather than cred, it would begrudgingly go to Joe Morgan.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>86.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I vote for Rod Carew because, as far as I know, he was the only player on that list to whom the Beastie Boys gave a shout out to.</p>
<p>But if I were making a vote based upon, say, performance, rather than cred, it would begrudgingly go to Joe Morgan.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;85.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#83&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;83&lt;/a&gt;  That was a great play. The man had focus.

[84}: Right, I realized I was kinda putting words in your mouth not long after I posted that. Sorry &#039;bout that. Incidentally, I think he actually played third AFTER he played outfield.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>85.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#83" rel="nofollow">83</a>  That was a great play. The man had focus.</p>
<p>[84}: Right, I realized I was kinda putting words in your mouth not long after I posted that. Sorry &#8217;bout that. Incidentally, I think he actually played third AFTER he played outfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Voxter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;84.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#82&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;82&lt;/a&gt;  I didn&#039;t mean to imply that Rose was a liability in the field; just that he didn&#039;t play very demanding positions once he moved off third.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>84.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#82" rel="nofollow">82</a>  I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that Rose was a liability in the field; just that he didn&#8217;t play very demanding positions once he moved off third.</p>
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		<title>By: JL25and3</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;83.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#82&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;82&lt;/a&gt;  And, much as I hate to give him credit, Rose did make one fielding play for the ages - catching the foul pop that bounced out of Boone&#039;s glove in the 1980 World Series.  

The greatest heads-up, clutch plays I&#039;ve ever seen were Reggie&#039;s hip move, Jeter&#039;s flip toss,  and Rose&#039;s catch.  

But he was still a prick.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>83.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#82" rel="nofollow">82</a>  And, much as I hate to give him credit, Rose did make one fielding play for the ages &#8211; catching the foul pop that bounced out of Boone&#8217;s glove in the 1980 World Series.  </p>
<p>The greatest heads-up, clutch plays I&#8217;ve ever seen were Reggie&#8217;s hip move, Jeter&#8217;s flip toss,  and Rose&#8217;s catch.  </p>
<p>But he was still a prick.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;82.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;80&lt;/a&gt; : And Morgan noses into the lead.

&lt;a href=&quot;#81&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;81&lt;/a&gt; : Thanks for that analysis, Voxter. Yeah, I have to admit Morgan was better. (I think I&#039;ve mostly been playing devil&#039;s advocate this whole time anyway.) Even if Rose&#039;s durability evened the playing field a little, Morgan still trumps him with his defense and baserunning. 

I would argue with the implication that Rose was a detriment to his team as a fielder. He was not nearly as valuable as Morgan, of course, but by most accounts he played left field and right field well (and, with respect to errors, near flawlessly) and also played third base well. (I&#039;m not as familiar with his reputation as a second baseman--that was before my time.) And his almost unprecedented flexibility, which allowed the team to put him where they needed him most, again and again and again, is along with his durability another underrated element of his value to his team, I think.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>82.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#80" rel="nofollow">80</a> : And Morgan noses into the lead.</p>
<p><a href="#81" rel="nofollow">81</a> : Thanks for that analysis, Voxter. Yeah, I have to admit Morgan was better. (I think I&#8217;ve mostly been playing devil&#8217;s advocate this whole time anyway.) Even if Rose&#8217;s durability evened the playing field a little, Morgan still trumps him with his defense and baserunning. </p>
<p>I would argue with the implication that Rose was a detriment to his team as a fielder. He was not nearly as valuable as Morgan, of course, but by most accounts he played left field and right field well (and, with respect to errors, near flawlessly) and also played third base well. (I&#8217;m not as familiar with his reputation as a second baseman&#8211;that was before my time.) And his almost unprecedented flexibility, which allowed the team to put him where they needed him most, again and again and again, is along with his durability another underrated element of his value to his team, I think.</p>
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