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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;12.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;11&lt;/a&gt;  Hilarious and also not too far from the truth. I was never so holy again.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>12.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#11" rel="nofollow">11</a>  Hilarious and also not too far from the truth. I was never so holy again.</p>
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		<title>By: ramblin pete</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1452</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;11.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;That last paragraph resonates with the graceful zen philosophizing that was part and parcel of the legend that preceded you prior to our meeting and becoming friends a few years later.


- All I knew of you back in those days was that my high school pal had gone on a road trip with your brother (whom I knew only vaguely --we had met once or twice and each thought the other was gay, but that&#039;s another story) and that HIS brother, (Josh Wilker), a quiet, reflective, spiritual sort, referred to in passing as &quot;Krishna,&quot; was joining them for a leg of the journey. 

It was related to me that on occasion the three of you would be driving in near-silence, somewhere-in-the-middle-of-nowhere, listening to Bob Dylan&#039;s &#039;Biograph&#039; as the sun set over a the empty mesas, when your brother would soundlessly pull the car over to the side of the empty highway. 

&quot;It&#039;s 7:30,&quot; he would say. 

And that meant one thing, which was accepted ambiviently by all... A piss break and a chance to stretch the ol&#039; legs perhaps, but more specifically, &quot;Krishna&quot; had to meditate. 

In my mind&#039;s eye I see you chanting on a rock 50 yards away; eventually your brother or my friend would gaze at their watches, look at each other, nod, and gently herd you into the backseat as dusk approached. 

A legend in the making, you was. 

And that&#039;s to say nothing of the yarns I could spin about Dock Ellis....


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>11.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;That last paragraph resonates with the graceful zen philosophizing that was part and parcel of the legend that preceded you prior to our meeting and becoming friends a few years later.</p>
<p>- All I knew of you back in those days was that my high school pal had gone on a road trip with your brother (whom I knew only vaguely &#8211;we had met once or twice and each thought the other was gay, but that&#8217;s another story) and that HIS brother, (Josh Wilker), a quiet, reflective, spiritual sort, referred to in passing as &#8220;Krishna,&#8221; was joining them for a leg of the journey. </p>
<p>It was related to me that on occasion the three of you would be driving in near-silence, somewhere-in-the-middle-of-nowhere, listening to Bob Dylan&#8217;s &#8216;Biograph&#8217; as the sun set over a the empty mesas, when your brother would soundlessly pull the car over to the side of the empty highway. </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s 7:30,&#8221; he would say. </p>
<p>And that meant one thing, which was accepted ambiviently by all&#8230; A piss break and a chance to stretch the ol&#8217; legs perhaps, but more specifically, &#8220;Krishna&#8221; had to meditate. </p>
<p>In my mind&#8217;s eye I see you chanting on a rock 50 yards away; eventually your brother or my friend would gaze at their watches, look at each other, nod, and gently herd you into the backseat as dusk approached. </p>
<p>A legend in the making, you was. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s to say nothing of the yarns I could spin about Dock Ellis&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent is a Dodger Fan</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1451</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;10.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;It is a telling observation that you (Josh) lived with your brother as an adult for seven years and found that &quot;Sports was what bound us together.&quot;

I find that this is a general pattern in relationships between men of our generation (and probably before).  Men seem to want to talk to each other about things that happen to other people (sports), or other common interests that any third party could ostensibly be interested in, too (music, movies, technology, science, finance, cars, etc.).  

And that seems to be the connective tissue...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>10.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;It is a telling observation that you (Josh) lived with your brother as an adult for seven years and found that &#8220;Sports was what bound us together.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find that this is a general pattern in relationships between men of our generation (and probably before).  Men seem to want to talk to each other about things that happen to other people (sports), or other common interests that any third party could ostensibly be interested in, too (music, movies, technology, science, finance, cars, etc.).  </p>
<p>And that seems to be the connective tissue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peoples Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peoples Hernandez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;9.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;this josh honors the josh writing this comment with a link to his blog. I&#039;m capable of writing shit like this, but if I actually put it online, I&#039;d be worthy the honor of that link.

but dock&#039;s an all-time favorite of mine. his battles against real racism (I only need qualify this because gary sheffield keeps cheapening what it really is) are unfortunately overshadowed by the LSD no-hitter. but what wouldn&#039;t be overshadowed by that? 

considering how similarly wild he was in his own no-hitter bid, I&#039;d say we&#039;ll find out a few years from now that a.j. burnett was on hillbilly heroin or somesuchshit during his no-hitter. just saying.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>9.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;this josh honors the josh writing this comment with a link to his blog. I&#8217;m capable of writing shit like this, but if I actually put it online, I&#8217;d be worthy the honor of that link.</p>
<p>but dock&#8217;s an all-time favorite of mine. his battles against real racism (I only need qualify this because gary sheffield keeps cheapening what it really is) are unfortunately overshadowed by the LSD no-hitter. but what wouldn&#8217;t be overshadowed by that? </p>
<p>considering how similarly wild he was in his own no-hitter bid, I&#8217;d say we&#8217;ll find out a few years from now that a.j. burnett was on hillbilly heroin or somesuchshit during his no-hitter. just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Suffering Bruin</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suffering Bruin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;8.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;If I could write like Josh, my fingers would never leave the keyboard.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>8.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;If I could write like Josh, my fingers would never leave the keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;7.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;I read Josh&#039;s stories and I always think &quot;Our band could be your life&quot;.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>7.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;I read Josh&#8217;s stories and I always think &#8220;Our band could be your life&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: spudrph</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudrph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;6.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;Scott-So true, so true. How many times have you heard a band or a comic or read a book or saw a ballplayer and said, &quot;My God-this can&#039;t miss!&quot; And it does, and it does. 

Perhaps because of the democracy of the Net, it is so much harder to find the true gems, because the Powers That Be still say, &quot;Well, lots of people write on the Web. So what?&quot;

Josh deserves success more than a lot of memoirists I&#039;ve encountered.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>6.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;Scott-So true, so true. How many times have you heard a band or a comic or read a book or saw a ballplayer and said, &#8220;My God-this can&#8217;t miss!&#8221; And it does, and it does. </p>
<p>Perhaps because of the democracy of the Net, it is so much harder to find the true gems, because the Powers That Be still say, &#8220;Well, lots of people write on the Web. So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Josh deserves success more than a lot of memoirists I&#8217;ve encountered.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Long</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;5.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;If anyone understands self-absorption, it is at my blog.  Your work sometimes reminds me of Augusten Burroughs, except without the Gay Sex.  Well, that is unless  you are saving that story for the Billy Bean edition.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>5.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;If anyone understands self-absorption, it is at my blog.  Your work sometimes reminds me of Augusten Burroughs, except without the Gay Sex.  Well, that is unless  you are saving that story for the Billy Bean edition.</p>
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		<title>By: mbtn01</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mbtn01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;4.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;2002: Unemployed.
1997: Heartbroken.
1992: Broke.
1987: Clueless.

Throw that frisbee.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>4.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;2002: Unemployed.<br />
1997: Heartbroken.<br />
1992: Broke.<br />
1987: Clueless.</p>
<p>Throw that frisbee.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilker</title>
		<link>http://cardboardgods.net/2007/09/02/dock-ellis/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Wilker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;3.&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;#1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt; : &quot;I think his pieces are very self-absorbed.&quot;

I realize you were using &quot;self-absorbed&quot; in a complimentary way, and I really appreciate it, but it&#039;s funny that you put it that way because I was already worrying that I took my usual self-absorption to a whole new level in this meandering wordspew that barely even mentions it&#039;s &quot;subject&quot; Dock Ellis. 

I hope Dock Ellis fans can forgive me. I figured there was already plenty out there in the universe about Dock. The article I link to has some pretty good stuff about the no-hitter and about Dock in general, but people who are interested in learning more about one of the great characters (and a damn good pitcher, too) of the Cardboard God era should check out Donald Hall&#039;s book Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball. It&#039;s a beauty.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a></a>3.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="#1" rel="nofollow">1</a> : &#8220;I think his pieces are very self-absorbed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I realize you were using &#8220;self-absorbed&#8221; in a complimentary way, and I really appreciate it, but it&#8217;s funny that you put it that way because I was already worrying that I took my usual self-absorption to a whole new level in this meandering wordspew that barely even mentions it&#8217;s &#8220;subject&#8221; Dock Ellis. </p>
<p>I hope Dock Ellis fans can forgive me. I figured there was already plenty out there in the universe about Dock. The article I link to has some pretty good stuff about the no-hitter and about Dock in general, but people who are interested in learning more about one of the great characters (and a damn good pitcher, too) of the Cardboard God era should check out Donald Hall&#8217;s book Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball. It&#8217;s a beauty.</p>
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